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Part 3
“Birdamlik” member in Fergana was arrested.
“Birdamlik’ People’s Democratic Movement Fergana Region leader Gulhayo Bobojonova, had been arrested for five days. According to her closers she was accused for offending of policeman.
Sadriddin Ashur
09.08. 2012
40 years old leader of Fergana Region of “Birdamlik” PDM Gulhayo Bobojonova was arrested on August 8th, evening, in the court hall of Fergana town.
According to the mother of Gulhayo 62 years old Marhamathon Hakimova, her daughter was called to the Judgment and immediately was accused and arrested. “We have no any clear information. I’m in the hospital. We knew nothing about the Judgment process. My daughter is not telling anything about the trial that she went there alone yesterday. My son –in –law Habibullo asked mahalla place policeman about her problem they answered that as if Gulhayo offended another place policeman. For five days arrest without any judge decision is nonsense. We know neither decision nor any clear information” said Marhamathon Hakimova.
According to her on August 8th after the judgment, Gulhayo Bobojonova was taken away to the Kuva Regional home affairs department to keep in isolation there. According to “Birdamlik” in net sites G. Bobojonova’s husband H. Muydinov on August 9th visited Kuba R.H.A.D to meet his wife there and give some food but he wasn’t allowed either to meet or to give any food.
“Liberty” Radio has connected with Fergana town civil affairs court by telephone to know the cause of G. Bobojonova’s arrest but they refused to give any information by telephone.
G. Bobojonova is one of the members of “Istiqlol” mahalla in Fergana town. She had written some articles about local social problems in “Birdamlik” internet sites, and has been always interviewed by some foreign mass media.
Members of “Birdamlik” say that G. Bobojonova’s activity in movement and her sharp, critical essays were caused her arrest by the government. For example her essay about the shortage of plastic cards in Fergana was broadcasted in “Liberty”, next day the problem was solved by the authorities. She also criticized “Lucky lottery” which was the obligation to buy everyone who had some social support by mahalla.
http://www.ozodlik.org/content/article/24671692.html
We can say that “Liberty” radio’s top casting was more justice and broad. Fairly, it is the first casting when the Uzbek department reporters of “Liberty” touch “Birdamlik’ People’s Democratic Movement member’s problem roundly and justice. This is the joyful condition for us, of course.
But unfortunately our happiness was short. You know, our Movement decided to organize the sequential marathon “Osh” from the August 27th, 2012. Our aim from this marathon is “God bless us to celebrate our happiness in OQSaroy!”
Under this title our aim was announced by the site http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik/?p=23561#more-23561 to the society.
Our proclamation’s Russian verse was under the title “Stop Karimov’s repression against the members of opposition!” And announced our Movement’s sites
http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik/?p=23572#more-23572 http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik
Also, “Birdamlik’ People’s Democratic Movement called our Uzbek countrymen to take part on the event under the slogan “Out mass peaceful rally NOT AGREE AND JOY!” on August 29th 2012. You can find this call in the site http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik/?p=23587
Movement called the Uzbek people to join to “Osh” event and “Osh” marathon on the 30th of August 2012. The Russian slogan of this call “ПРОВЕДЕМ МАССОВЫЕ МИРНЫЕ АКЦИИ НЕСОГЛАСИЯ И РАДОСТИ!” Was announced that day on the sitehttp://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik/?p=23618#more-23618, and also the English slogan of the event “Out mass peaceful rally NOT AGREE AND JOY!” Was announced on the site http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik/?p=23630 all the sites of the Movement devoted on this event. The English verse of the call must be showed whole. This is article;
“Out mass peaceful rally NOT AGREE AND JOY!
Address to the people of our dear Uzbekistan!
The desire of the people: the freedom of this land,
Let leave a shadow over his head,
Rise, excite, boil,
Rush, hurry up, tune up,
Eradicate poverty, but hunger
And ensure that all your land …
Take strength from the people …
Let’s go to the people with open arms.
Chulpan. (Interlinear Translation)
Dear compatriots!
You know, we – the opposition are fighting with the Karimov regime as we can. Despite our best efforts, the Karimov regime, instead of the Constitution, laws, standards of humanity and justice, spit on all the democratic norms and increased repression. «President» Karimov constantly abusing power. He is not interested in the political, economic, social and cultural needs of over 30 million citizens of Uzbekistan. He used all his power for an unprecedented enrichment of his family. All free-thinking and freedom-fighters for justice and for the interests of the nation continually persecuted, imprisoned, destroyed mentally and physically. As a result, more than 8 million of our fellow citizens have been forced to seek shelter, employment and social protection in a foreign country. Karimov regime apologists assert that the Uzbeks live in peace and stability, but it is no secret to anyone that the Uzbek people are in great suffering to find a piece of bread and to solve immediate problems. You can not say that ordinary believers are imprisoned as «Hizb ut-Tahrir» and tortured the children for years to perform forced labor, which students from schools only three months a year see their schools, and the remaining nine months of working together with a dekhans rearing silkworms, in cotton works as okuchka, weeding and chasing cotton, they are all involved in droves to pick cotton, which human rights are violated in the country plagued by corruption and extortion. Despotic regime relies not only on violence, but also to the corruption and extortion, which were widespread in the country. No matter how many people suffered, despotic regime tries to drum into people’s consciousness thanks for the reigning world, get people to worship only and only Karimov, but no one was interested by what, by what sacrifices ensured the world. Think for yourself, not by a decent life, which did not dream Uzbeks, not by whether its freedom and rights? We all only live once, so the people of Uzbekistan have the right to live like human beings, to breathe freely, to have material prosperity. Do you think that villagers who were unable to use gas, electricity, do not want to cook, not Mariah hand, without firewood ? Of course, they want. Do you think that a farmer with cracked heels and hands with corn did not want to be masters of their own products and sell it at a bargain price? Of course, he wants. Is the common people do not want to destroy corruption prevalent in schools and the promotion of their children through the ranks both knowledge and talents? Even as they want. In short, you can not count to the end of all suffering and hardship borne Uzbeks – our countrymen – our people. Can guarantee the current regime in Uzbekistan dignity to the people? No! Now tell me who wants a world that is provided by a decent life for people through their dreams and aspirations? Everyone knows that any disturbance in the country will be directed mainly against the «President» Karimov because with the hard life of the people he will not be calm and a supervisor. Tron «President» is not strong and will wobble. Thousands and thousands of Ministry of Interior and National Security, do not understand it, only care about the integrity of the Karimov regime.
Dear compatriots!
You know that for several years the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» is a non-violent struggle against the dehumanizing of the Karimov regime. We think that this method of struggle for democracy for centuries-old traditions of our people and we think that it is time to take advantage of this method. You know that different methods of nonviolent struggle, and they should not be blindly copied from other countries. You know that the development of methods of nonviolent struggle is necessary to consider the mentality, religion, traditions, culture, quality of life, political views and experiences of each nation, the country and the state.
We, the activists of the Movement, in 2005, we think over the methods of nonviolent struggle, suitable for the conditions of Uzbekistan. We, the activists of the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» several times called on to apply the methods of nonviolent struggle, but you all know that strong action against arbitrary power does not work on the first try. One of these methods of nonviolent struggle was the organization of mass demonstrations by people in white robes. We think that most of you are well aware of this.
Last year and this year, hundreds of thousands of Russian opposition supporters took to the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg with white ribbons. Birdamlik us who chose white as a symbol of expression of discontent is happy. See hundreds of thousands of people took to the white characters against the Putin regime. We have a desire to extend the process.
We know that at this time it is very difficult to organize in Uzbekistan, mass popular revolt against the Karimov regime, but if we unite, if we will make a contribution to this, sooner or later our streets will fleed with hundreds of thousands of demonstrators!
Politicians know that wily Karimov divided national movement «Birlik» in two parts, was able to loosen it. Inspired by this, he divided into three parts, «Erk» party. Worst of all, he was able to stir up against each other opposition leaders. As a result, he secretly managed cunning methods, opposition remains «without arms, legs and head.» A few members of the opposition who were not deceived, tricks «the father of the country» got hit on the head fitting. Opposition activists, left alone, were trampled till they could not climb. Countless open-minded people have been beaten, imprisoned, raped, intimidated, were destroyed mentally and physically. These crimes, unfortunately, are still pending.
Dear compatriots!
Dear representatives of the opposition, human rights defenders!
How long will we be lonely participants, unequal struggle with inhuman Karimov regime has created? How long will we lose friends and associates? When will your program control methods with minimal losses? Is it not time to hold hands, to support each other, unite? After all, our people said, «In the unity of force.»
You know that the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» tried several times to hold an event called «OR» (pilaf), and are now looking for opportunities to do so. We know that osh (pilaf) pleasant word for Uzbeks. When we hear the word «oui»
(Pilaf), we have lit, a person awakens the appetite. It is linked to our thousand-year history and culture.
Pilaf served at weddings, in teahouses, homes and in many Uzbek events. Under the pretext of pilaf occur close, sincerely talk, exchange ideas, and relax. If we politicize this little word, giving it new values, such as the GS-Ommavy Shiko (mass appeal), GS-Ommavy Shodlik (Mass joy), GS-Oқ scarf (white scarf), GS-Oқ ball (the white ball) OSH-Oloyga shoshiling (Hurry on Alai), GS-Oқsaroyga shoshiling (Hurry to Aksaray) and implemented in life, perhaps we would accelerate the fall of the repressive regime of Karimov?
Yes, we – birdamlik tried to hold events such as the GS-Ommavy Shiko (mass appeal), GS-Oloyga shoshiling (Hurry on Alai), but could not gather enough people. The reason is that the stock dissent and joy can be done only when you support us. We have not been able to bring you these shares, but our achievement is that we have been able to bring to the OR, the slogan of people.
Applying September 1 – Independence Day and December 8 – Constitution Day methods «Ommavy Shodlik» (Mass joy), and other holidays and weekends methods «Oқ Scarf» (white scarf), «Oқ Libos» (white dress) «Oқ Лента» (The White Ribbon), and expressing their displeasure that the current regime, we can contribute to the weakening of the despotic regime. Say, March 21th at 11 am, we will let the sky with white balloons. Let Karimov sees, recognizes and fears that his departure inevitable. Need to organize pickets and rallies closer to a large area near Alai market and encourage people to participate in activities «OR.»
Before carrying out our activities, we let people know in detail how to conduct them. Between these activities we organize mass strikes and acts of disobedience. Perhaps in this way we will be even stronger than the rest of us – oppositions who want freedom tell a friend – a friend OSH – Oқsaroyga shoshiling (Hurry to Aksaray) and go take a strong fortress?
Do not forget that non-violent People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» are the union opposition and overthrow Karimov unscathed.
We know that these proposals are not immediately realized. It is natural. If we learn and teach others, our actions will be to expand and develop.
Our activity is an evolutionary process. We wish to draw all our free-Uzbek citizens to cooperate. When we get enough strength and confidence, we will call the people in school – Oқsaroyga shoshiling (Hurry to Aksaray), and the cries of Osh, Osh, raise your head, Osh, Osh, open your eyes, Osh, Osh go confidently guide them in hundreds of thousands people.
It would be nice if we all together will hold on September 1, the official Independence Day rally OSH – Ommavy Shodlik-Mass Joy. We present you with our plan to conduct this campaign:
First of all, the people who are in the «black list» of the regime, because of security concerns, not necessarily openly participate in this action. On you – the members of the opposition and human rights activists secretly want to advocate to get this attraction to our shares, thousands of people and lead them. Believe it or close the days when you openly lead the people behind him.
People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» will give some guidance to managers and activists of the Movement, to unitedly carry out this action.
September 1, the official Independence Day, our people can participate, along with family members, friends, associates, together with the staff in the action OSH – Ommavy Shodlik-Mass Joy. The participants are required to wear a white stock clothes any time of the day in places of recreation, parks, public gardens, in the yard, on the street, in public places and even at home in protest of the Karimov regime’s ruthless. Can also be photographed alone or in white or white and to attribute these pictures on marathon OR organized by the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik.» If you will not be able to take a picture and send the picture on September 1, you can do so by September 10.
Dear compatriots!
We ask all our fellow victims and affected by the Karimov regime: entrepreneurs, business people, students, pupils, teachers and all other support OR marathon, organized by the People’s Democratic Movement «your movement.» Let’s spend the action «OR» so united and organized to bustling butchers oppressive regime!
As the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» encourages all entrepreneurs, business people financially support the campaign «Ommavy Shodlik» (Mass joy)-OR, to conduct this campaign fun and achieve their goals. Our aim to encourage active protesters with your financial supports. We plan, 50% of the collected amount to give as a gift to the author of a meaningful picture, which shows a white robe. 25% give a shot to give 2nd place, and the remaining 25% of the picture to give the 3rd position.
Respected business people and entrepreneurs expensive!
Privacy is guaranteed for your help, the source of financial aid in any case will not be revealed, as well as a money very reliable.
Our bank details and methods of electronic payment for the generous sponsors:
To Cheek, Money order, Western Union, Moneygram:
To Birdamlik Movement 1813 Peach St., Sant Peters, MO 63376 USA
For bank transfers:
Bank of America
Account # 354004944339
Routing # 081000032 Or 026009593
For Internetional
Account # 354004944339
Routing # BOFAU53N
Internet: To pay by Visa, Master Card and other credit card, press the next image.
or
http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik/?page_id=3684
Dear businessmen, dear business people!
Your involvement and financial support is very important to us.
As a conclusion I must say that we have to prepare for this event very carefully and seriously. At first glance, our goal and our plans may seem a bit silly and frivolous, but know this is our and your first step. If we take the first step with confidence, our next steps will be successful.
We must not forget that wearing white clothes will be the light for the action of our compatriots living in fear because the white color – the color of purification, purity, light, and Karimov’s regime is afraid of white. White scares despots, so the regime of corruption and violence, trying to crush the desire of citizens to white. We have to say to this lawlessness, «Enough!» And act.
«Your movement» is valid only for you and to your advantage. The movement can only take with you this glorious path to a great purpose. Know only nonviolent methods can lead us to a society where our rights are restored, which will be a free and prosperous life. Join the ranks of the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik,» rally around us! Osh, Osh – raise your head! Osh, Osh – open your eyes! Osh, Osh – go with confidence! May God grant us all to celebrate the victory in Aksaray!
Our contacts: +998935060531
http://www.facebook.com/#!/birdamlikh
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The leader of the People’s Democratic Movement «Birdamlik» Of Uzbekistan Bokhodir Choriyev.”
Not only on the top sites, but our aims of the events “Osh” and “Osh” marathon either had been always issued on facebook sites. And the most important thing was that all the essays about “Birdamlik” movement’s calls and events and ideas were supplied to Uzbek department of “Liberty” radio several times.
But regretfully, “democratic journalists” in “Liberty” radio made only following broadcasting about the whole opposition which has put forward its own ideas, wishes and events:
“Opposition’s mood is not holiday joyful.
“Birdamlik” PDM called Uzbek people to be in white to show their disagree peaceful position for the holiday.
http://www.ozodlik.org/content/article/24693659.html”
Decade marathon from September 1st to 10th 2012 and its impressions have been described too short with two sentences. “Good job”, “Great professionalism” Uzbek journalists’ department of radio “Liberty”! Not every journalist have such kinds of talent and justice in profession! Humor is good but if we think about it seriously, our Movement’s site http://www.wdscode.guru/birdamlik has been describing and announcing two news a day about the “Mass joy” events in Uzbekistan. “Birdamlik” opposition’s initiative mass decade peaceful marathon against the regime has been held in Uzbekistan but the reporters of Uzbek department of Radio Liberty hasn’t got it into the consideration. Is it not a worthier problem for them? Is it their competence? One question, if “UPM” were instead of “Birdamlik,” what position would the “justice” reporters take of Radio Liberty? It’s not a secret that if Solikh burped little strong reporters would show it as if he roared. How would you comment Shukhrat. And KHurmat Bobojonovs’ and their colleague Mekhribon Bakieva’s false position and point of view in all of the situations belonging to “Birdamlik”? As we think, that these “reporters with little letters” are in a dispute of M. Solikh, and only his false authority is more interesting for them than the future of Uzbek people, their peace and prosperity of life. Now tell me, please, what is the difference between some journalists of Radio Liberty who pray only for M. Solikh and Uzbek officials and journalists who worship only Karimov? Are there any differs? Here is my whole interview which was announced in the site http://dunyouzbeklari where I talked about some faithless and unjust journalists of Radio Liberty and their incompetence activity.
“Dunyo Uzbeklari” today’s guest the leader of “Birdamlik” Bokhodir Choriyev.
Posted by ДУНЁ ЎЗБЕКЛАРИ
In the picture B. Choriyev with his family.
Hello Bokhodir!
First of all we thank you for finding the time and being a volunteer guest “Dunyo Uzbeklari”! Before we start talking, please give us some information about yourself.
B.Ch: Hello Ismat aka! I’m thankful for your invitation. My short resume is following:
My slogan: I am prepared to sacrifice myself for the People, and for the Homeland»
I’m Bokhodir Choriyev Hasanovich, was born on the 31st of October in 1969 in Shakhrisabz region. I’m married with my wife Feruza, have two sons and two daughters which we all live in the USA.
After finishing the secondary school in 1986, I entered the Tomsk politekhnic institute evening department of Electro city and physics faculty. In same time studied in one year course of radio mechanic.
In 1987 began to work in the factory “Kontur” in Tomsk as a fitter.
1987-1989 Served in Soviet Army.
At the end of 1989 I got married to my wife, Feruza.
1990 -continued study and worked in Tomsk.
1990 -transferred studying to Tashkent State tecknic University (last politekhnic institute) day time department.
1994- Graduated from the University and began to work in science researches institute at the Ministry of Finance.
1995 – One of the founders of Uzbek- China joint company “Сувжихозгаз”.
1997- founded own private company “Янги Таъминот”
November, 1999- Our family bought 61 per cent of safety stocks of the Open Stock Company “Kesh” in Shakhrisabz region.
February, 2000- became the President of this company.
January, 2. 2001- Was arrested by the region procurator.
July, 6.2001- had been free in the court hall for the pawn.
2002- Was put into prison for 6 years by the verdict of Kamashi regional criminal court and was free by the amnesty.
2003- Joined to the Marat Zakhidov’s IOHR as a defender of human rights.
Fall, 2003- left this organization and joined to Surat Ikromov’s Organization.
2004- For the opposite policy opinions was taken out from this organsnization.
2004-founded “Birdamlik” People’s Democratic Movement
2004-now- have been living in as political refugee in the USA.
1st question: Bokhodir, let’s begin to talk about our telephone conversation which you had minded my position about the R.Lib after reading my impressions of Prague trip.
B.Ch. I will try to answer your questions with my ability. Some of your ideas in the articles from the “Prague memories” pursued me to call you. That’s why I decided to call you to share my opinion by this subject.
There are some of your ideas and my comments to them.
Quotation: “however, some “false” democrat opponents have been blaming (discussing about Shukhrat Bobojonov) and mainly all Bobojonovs in “Liberty” for being in one side with M.Colikh.” As you know, I and others have had conflict with Bobojonovs since the 2006. If somebody hadn’t been in one policy position or joined to M.
Solikh, then they wouldn’t have had access to the radio “Liberty” by Bobojonovs. M. Solikh and his colleagues call these people as spy of NSS. For Examples: Aygul Mamatova- she was the one wing of the party “Erk” , second wing was Samad Murod; Jahongir Mamatov also has been in opposition to M.Solikh from the beginning of his political activity; Abdurakhim Pulatov who had a conflict with M.Solikh too: Bobur Malikov –former chairman of the High Court and former Minister of Law who really has been lawful marked to the activities of M.Solikh;
His policy activity has run without supporting M. Solikh – it’s me, B. Choriyev- the leader of the BPDM; The president of the UOHR Abdujalil Boymatov; Usuf Rasul, a journalist who wrote many criticize articles about M.Solikh and many other active people and volunteers. Besides, many other people are censoring in this Radio.
That’s why we have fought against the censoring in the R.Lib. The people who didn’t support M. Solikh and his policy position are against the being in a dispute of one side radio reporters as well.
We are always in a position of the Radio’s increasing and broad in all spheres. “Liberty” is not M.Solikh’s and his supporters’ ownership.
The radio must be open for every organization, groups and person who fight for democracy and human rights. It would be better if “Liberty” in Uzbek learned to keep equal rights from the Russian “Liberty”.
Second question: If you allow me to ask the next question, did you have any benefice of the picket and discord actions against the censorship in the radio “Liberty”?
Did you turn out in a ridiculous situation in the eyes of our countrymen?
Of course, It might have been clear if that actions had been against dictator or undemocratic system?
B. Ch: The main actions against “liberty” radio are yet to come. Last time we couldn’t success good results because of our some “active members” mistakes. I believe, that kind of “actives” won’t be in among us next time.
Now let me count our successes because of our actions and picket:
1. Incompetent leader Sojida Jafarova, who couldn’t speak in Uzbek, was unemployed from the position of manager of the “Liberty”.
2. Illegal manager of the “liberty” were Bobojonovs and the radio had been free from them.
3. Hurmat Bobojonov should had been put into the position as a manager of the Radio but this declare was cancelled.
4. Alisher Siddiq has been employed as a new manager of the R.L ( But his coward character and incompetentness has been caused to raise more defects and blemish)
5. It had been begun to pay attention to the R.L and it’s big role in the struggle against the system in Uzbekistan because of our anty-radio actions and picket. And the west politicians have understood the great role of the L.
6. The budget of the R.L has been raised radically; it seemed some positive changes had been done in the R.L. But we see that the R.L has had chronic ill defects as cancel and it hasn’t been able to recover from it. I would like to emphasize that the role of all Mass media always has been great in the struggle against any dictator. We are strong democratic opposition; of course, rely on free Mass media in our struggle against Karimov’s regim. If “Liberty” let one group have speech in the radio broadcasting and others couldn’t have this opportunity, second side never get any success in its political struggle. When “Liberty” or other radios become loyal and just in their position it will be fast positive political changes in Uzbekistan. That’s why we need the just full condition in the radio “Liberty”. If we meet any obstacles in this open speech place we’ll do our legal best to withdraw them. We’ll continue our struggle until the radio ‘Liberty’ will be free.
Third question: How is your father? And what condition is he in? How do you see his future fate? All his wealth and house were confiscated, how does he feel himself?
B. Ch: His condition is satisfactory. All his wealth and his things were confiscated by the government and were not given him back, in contrary; he was punished to pay a big fine. My father is going on his struggle against the unjust position of the authorities. Nowadays my father’s own house, where he has been living for 24 years, is confiscated by the government and them putting him in more anxiety.
Fourth question: let’s come back to the politics again, you invited M. Solikh to the talk but he refused it with the argument that he did have anything to say to you. You were in cross and since you have conflicted with him. Please, be honesty, and answer; how do you think what kind of rivals M.Solikh and B. Choriyev are today according to their experience and popularity? Did you have any moral right for that?
B.Ch: Ismat aka! Excuse me, this question is not being asked by the point of democracy…. Uzbekistan Peoples movement was founded last year by the leader of M. Solikh. Before, “Birlik” people’s movement which was founded in 1989 had been changed into, “Birlik” people’s movement party in 2003. And no one in people’s movement had been left in the political field in Uzbekistan. Then, by my initiation, “Birdamlik” people’s movement was founded. We have been doing successful political activities for 8 years. It’s too hard, but we try to spread our activities among the people and try to introduce them our endeavors and movements. We succeed much but is Mr. Solikh informed about it? I would had liked to make some clear following questions as: Why hadn’t M.Solikh founded people’s movement before?
Where are his National Save Committee which he announced about by the R.L and “13 of May” union? How did he do to find the new people’s movement? What is the difference of the new organization from the “Birdamlik” People’s Movement? And to many other questions we should have get some answers during the talk with M.Solikh in front of auditorium if it had taken place. That’s why I called M. Solikh to discuss. All important problems, which had been discussed not only between me and M.Solikh, but also among the millions of people, “Liberty” radio listeners and internet readers, should have been informed. In front of wide society I called M.Solikh to the discussion. Every person if considered he as politician would get ready to the talk like in this situation. If the politician knows that he is losing, then that does not mean not to face your rival, but to show up for your reputation and for honesty of the supporters. M. Solikh’s position was not fit as the politician. He proved he is arrogant and is in boastful position. He should be ready to have a debate not only with me, but with every reader or our represented people. His opinion: “He is not in an equal position with me, but the other are ” these arrogance expressions with disdain is ashamed condition for a person who considers himself as a leader of Nation and opposition.
Fifth question: Since the foundation of the “Birlik” P.M how much money have you spent to any people? Did you get any benefit? Or let’s change the question; have you been offended for lending money to anybody? Or have you been in a situation when you didn’t expect indecent demeanor by your debtors? Or is there anybody who has been yet thankful for your support? Or did you harm yourself for sorry fullness?
B. Ch: My answer to these questions; Since my moving to the USA for nowadays I spent more than $124 thousand from my own earned money on “Birdamlik” PDM activities. Besides me, my brothers also have supported our Movement and they continue do it nowadays. God bless us, our earnings are high and naturally, have spent money on the politicians more and more. If somebody abused me or lost my trust, I’m not angry with them or my friends who are in the political field in Uzbekistan. I will meet people with spread hugs if they come back and join us again. Some of them didn’t pass the support money to them, who worked in extremely hard conditions.
It will be enough if they gave money to them and return with a note that has a signature to me or to the Leader of “Birdamlik” in Uzbekistan M. Esankulova.
After that we, of course, will build a new relationship with them. We are glad for supporting a lot of our countrymen in emigration. We supported more than one hundred people who are in political emigration. We supported everyone in different sum of amount. We believed that the supported people, who needed our help, once would provide help to our Movement or be helpful to other people who are in immigration in first world countries. We hoped to help other political emigrants with much more seriousness. Unfortunately it didn’t happen. Some people who came to the first world countries, they deserted our trust and then began to slander us.
I think that they wanted to stop their relationship with us by that way so they succeed their wealth alone. I have been cross for not their unthankful demeanor or not for their dislike of joining us but for their none-political activities fighting against Karimov’s regime in Uzbekistan, their scandals in internet sites or having been lost in the first world countries. My fault was that not knowing the people’s psychology and nature. If I hadn’t made that mistakes we would have spent those money on ( f.e. publishing and delivering newspapers and magazines) other political events and been more helpful to our countrymen. Certainly, we will announce the list of their names with the debt amounts to our people when Uzbekistan is free from the dictator in future. I think, people should know who is who, who is real patriot or but other one is sly and betrayer. If somebody thinks that open heart help is not demanding or needs thankfulness I will not be agreeing with it, more of all argue that these people in emigration doing nothing for people won’t be able to be met as hero in Uzbekistan!. It’s better late than never! We are not going to demand debts but we ask them for struggle! Always struggle against Karimov’s regime! In this struggle they can join to us, or “Birlik”, or “Erk”, or other new opponent organizations. Let struggle! Then we can say that they are real heroes.
I would like to emphasize this fact that among the people whom we helped there are many conscientious and descent people too. For example, a writer Gafurjon aka Yuldashev who lives in Canada is. He was very thankful for our support and I thank him too.
Sixth question: Have you ever regretted for wasting money to indecent people instead of spending to family?
B.Ch: Never. But, I said on the top, it would be more useful if we spent on newspapers and magazines.
Seventh Question: I have been to Prague recently and met M. Solikh there. He had a good opinion about you. It didn’t surprise me, because he can blame somebody for something very seldom. Don’t you surprise this situation because you always blame him for disdain and arrogance demeanor?
B. Ch: I’m glad to hear good opinions of M.Solikh about me. But its politics, every politic should be patient to every blame. If somebody to blame Mr. Solikh for something then wouldn’t they turn them into a spy of NSS. During the 20 years M.Solikh has become enemy to him, who has blamed him for something and under the different pennames, issued articles about his rivals or opponents. Trying to defame his rivals with different ways. It’s not good for politician.
Eighth question: Please, speak about your family and children. How many brothers came to America? And what did cause your emigration to the USA?
B.Ch: I with my wife Feruza and our two daughters and two sons live in America. The Elder child is 20 years old and the smallest is 7 years old. The elder daughter Sarvinoz is a student at a University which she is studying law. Second daughter, Sevara, is majoring in Medicine. Elder son, Davronbek, is in 10th grade at a high school and the little son, Dadakhon, is going to a third grade.
Our family is big. There are 8 brothers and two sisters. We, 7 brothers live in America with our families. We are all political emigrants here. My brothers and I put forward to run a transport companies and manage them. We all drive Lorries. We have more than 20 trucks, and their numbers are becoming more and more every month.
Ninth question: Now let’s talk about the Uzbekistan policy. I pursued you several times that it couldn’t be won Central Asian and Russian governments with peace struggle. And you always had minded it. And now do you also have same position?
B.Ch: Yes, it’s my strong position. The Russian government can’t be failed with revolution. It needs to be planned with peaceful, struggle strategy in Russia, in contrary; the war may last for long wasting times, power and money. The situation in Uzbekistan is differing. Sure, it can’t be failed Karimov’s regime with violence and force. To wait for a revolution or Karimov’s sudden death is wrong way. We have only one way- benefit using the strong organized peaceful struggle strategy. I can be more open besides somebody’s being cross, may be by somebody’s opinion Karimov’s regime is very strong but there are some thin sides of this regime and we must do to act and impact there. I think that Karimov’s regime is a collapse and is going to ruin, in contrary, we, active members of opposition are very weak and smart less. We stand in one place without any shaking and wait for the commands like the zombies.
We all democratic opponents should join and move together and I believe that we can do more effective work in the fighting against Karimov’s regime. We have planned the strategy how to remove Karimov from the power with peace way.
I believe this way of fighting exactly will remove Karimov from the government.
If we don’t join, then the process can last long years.
Tenth question: Have you any connections with Uzb. Special services? Your last visit to Tashkent and some unusual things happened with you there is caused to ask you this question.
B.Ch: I never had any connections with this organization. When we knew that they joined us we didn’t have any trust on them and didn’t put any serious position, at last we expelled them shamefully. Some of them left us themselves and others are still among us and observing our activities. They always tried to privacies us. But our firm Principals and democratic movement obeying the law failed their provocations.
Eleventh question: Please, tell me only true, who can we call the Uzbek opposition leader today?
B.Ch: There are many people who think that only he is the leader of Uzbek opposition today. But none of them is recognized by opposition or by Uzbek people.
It seems to me the situation for a short time which make false leader by radio and boastful or for a short imagination. A real Leader should talk to people with discussions in mind.
A leader can’t elect him as a leader, but only people and society can do it.
Pay attention, now who can lead the opposition? Is it Our Gossiper Abdulativ Pulatov? Or M. Solikh who keeps two religions and separated from the society? They were recognized as leaders on the 90s. For 20 years they had been forgotten by people. They had already lost their leadership abilities. A Real leader appears during the important policy events when the fate of the country and its people is being solved. Now, it is slowly but also going to the policy process. The opposition is fighting. The question of becoming leader is coming to daily scandal. For Ex. when Karimov goes away from the government during the fighting for the power, at the last moment then we can see the real face of many people. Still we are the leaders of small organizations.
F.Ex. I’m sure that I’m one of the leaders of opposition too. Everybody think so.
It’s not declared or boasted myself as a leader. One example, in 1992 when Abdurakhim Pulatov left the country a very big policy organization with power was left there by him. Where is the last power of the “Birlik” today? Where are its thousands of members. Today we can see only Abdurakhim Pulat or Pulat Okhun in “Birlik”.
I can ask this question M.Solikh too. Please, compare the “Erk” party in 1992 and the “Erk” party today. Than it had more than 54 thousand members but today it has only 54 or less, unfortunately. I always argue many people by this question. A real leader must stay in the country. Many people mind it. They argue that Government can put them into prison or choke and kill. I think that government can choke or put into prison or may kill them. But injured head certainly would recover, if it is a prisoner, then might be free one day, if the leader killed then 10 leaders can be appeared instead of them, if 10 be killed 100 can be appeared. The most important thing is to have possibility to keep whole policy party and its ability of working. At least, none every government can bravely take decision to kill the first leader of opposition. Because It can be caused a big rising and discord by some opponent organizations and the people of the country, and the policy pressure by the international societies , and at last government can lose it’s power and manager abilities. You can ask me why I’m in abroad. I didn’t escape like those leaders who ended “Birlik” and “Erk”. But I took the name of “Birdamlik” from Uzbekistan with me. A few numbers of our members remote in the country and they are still working there. Nowadays only “Birdamlik” movement functions in Uzbekistan. For 8 years have been being in emigration “Birdamlik” People’s democratic movement became one a big policy organization. The most important thing is that we have a mighty strategy and that the idea of how to become Uzbekistan’s prosperity with peace way after ending Karimov”s regime. I’m ready to be with my countrymen in my motherland in time beside of any block and violence.
Twelvth question: Your fresh opinion about Islam Karimov. How do you think why the government hadn’t troubled your father for many years but today they have begun to strangle him?
B.Ch: Karimov is one of the former soviet leaders. He thinks that he can control democracy and market economy. He is very selfish, he believes that only he is true, cruel and sticks man. He has been still thinking that he has ability to become Uzbekistan as prosperous country and pursued to believe his colleagues around him. But Uzbekistan has lost much luck during his ruling and it is only his fault.
Now, something about my father, the government hasn’t troubled my father in contrary always struggled. This new obstruct is connected with the new khokim’s activity in the viloyat. The new khokim liked to “advise” my father and this incident became more widely.
Thirteenth question: Have your any officials or none officials contacts with motherland?
B.Ch: I have only none officials contacting with my motherland. All my contacts are only with active members of our movement.
Fourteenth question: Why isn’t Uzbek opposition joint around one person? Can you recognize yourself as Uzbek opposition’s leader?
B.Ch: I think the reason of the Uzbek oppositions are not united situation is because of the conflicts between Abd.Pulatov and M.Solikh who are old rivals to each-other and can’t be agreed in any position or any ideas. Besides, these two leaders follow people made these mistakes again and in results the separation had been increased.
If they had have put their ambitions away and united in one idea on time Uzbek people wouldn’t have turned out in hard living conditions like today. And Karimov had already retired and enjoyed of old man life. Unfortunately it didn’t happen.
Their big mistake was to leave their parties in hard situation in the country and escaping to the abroad, and second is rival position to each-other and lost their colleagues in parties. Of course, our people will accuse them for this arrogance demeanor. But they have still been considering themselves true and blame other people for it. Now next part of your question, yes, Of course, once I will be able to be recognized as the only leader of the Uzbek opposition. Until then, I have many duties to do. Have some mistakes, but I always work on them. The purpose of visiting Uzbekistan was to get ready to be the general leader of the opposition. To prove my readiness, I came back to the country for a short period of time. God bless me if I felt some pressure but I Visited Uzbekistan without any incident. Next aim is to pursue the oppositions to believe us. Somebody tried to know my visit Uzbekistan by connecting with NSS. It’s nonsense. If all the opposition joins me, I give a word to get Karimov away from the power with peace; I will put my life on it.
Fifteenth question: If once I become politician I will try to be the bright leader of Uzbek opposition if not I will give it up. Can you do the same action?
B. Ch: So do I. First of all I’ll answer the question who is the leader? Every organization, society, policy party, opposition, nation, people and country has their own leaders. Leadership is a big duty responsibility, unsafe honorary labor, heroism and service. It’s naturally that real leader’s life is not safety. F.Ex. Bus driver is responsible for 30 people’s getting their direction successfully. This fact generally shows driver’s leadership because 30 people’s life is also in his hands. If he is competent he will get the direction successfully. In contrary it may be accident or troubles on the way. To fight against Karimov’s regime is extremely serious duty. Today opposition must discuss the question about the leadership. My high dream is to remove Karimov from the power with peace. I was not strong enough alone. That’s why I Founded “Birdamlik” P.D.M. I lead it and naturally I’m a leader of this organization. My demands to be the leader of all the opponent organizations can offend somebody. It’s naturally to see the rival position of some people. Remember, as soon as we unite in our activity, Karimov’s government will get a quick failing. In contrary, this process can last for long years. However, we do our best to end our high dream – to remove Karimov with peace. Before during my policy activity I hadn’t had any aim to become leader or president. But leadership is contemporary demand. My aim is to see my countrymen in freedom and become wealthy and live prosperous life. Certainly, it’s important to be together with opposition on the failing Karimov’s regime. Without having leader it won’t be able to remove Karimov from the ruling. So like president, without becoming president of the country one won’t be able to do any reforms. If President and his team gathered with trustful and educated people, who are free of the corruption and can fight against the corruption, then people, who love own countrymen, work together. It will also be able to make good changes in Uzbekistan.
Specially for “Dunyo uzbeklari”
There I tried to prove my opinion about some incompetence reporters. According to the top Radio Liberty has been nested by some faithless journalists who are in a dispute of one site supporting Karimov’s regime! I believe that Radio Liberty hasn’t any moral rights to consider its activity as democratic before it will be free in its position. If Radio is considered as democratic it must break the nest of reporters who is in a dispute of one site and refuse them.
Bokhodir Choriyev
The leader of the “Birdamlik” People’s Democratic Movement Of Uzbekistan.